(Please don't publish my name or e-mail) Call me if you have questions. I have a Python with a 4 barrel and a Rhino with the same. That means a .500" diameter bullet, and to hold that bullet, the case had to be larger in diameter than the rim was. However, when you could find anything chambered in it, they would be T/C single-shot pistols, the rarely-encountered Wildey pistol which came out in the late 1970s, and somewhat more common LAR Grizzly pistols. . Looking at the groupings, the Python is obviously better, but in a firefight, I think anyone would be more than satisfied with the Coonan performance, especially with the faster follow-up speed. I have one XDM defense gun with 20 rounds(night sights, and laser), and a 12 gauge. In case of .44 or similar size, even +50% capacity seems to be impossible with retaining (more or less) acceptable mass/size. I could never understand why people who carry automatic pistols needed 18 round magazines. 3x5 index card attached randomly (too eliminate the spray & pray forcing some precision on the drill) Why? If you have to have a 357 magnum semi-auto pistol, I would recommend going with the Coonan. Which brings me to the second contender in this match: The Coonan. Habit, I guess. The Desert Eagle is extremely large and heavy, so I went with the Coonan. One that I customized years ago, including a significant girth reduction: .45 Super at no cost to team. NEW Taurus 627 Tracker 357 Magnum 38 Spl (Stainless 4-in) 2-627049. 6 48 comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment Bluejester 13 yr. ago Grizzlys have been killed by .44Mag revolvers many many times. The Compact is designed to shoot only full power 357 magnum ammo and that is stated in the instruction book the factory sends out. Case in point, who sold more that year Clint eastwoods 29 or pythons? I shoot both autos and revolvers very well and I carry both differently. So based on that and on the thoughts of the folks here, the DE is probably the better move. The GunsAmerica crew was talking recently about the scarcity of ammo, and why we cant find .22LR in big old bricks. I made an 80% 1911 in 460 Rowland. I don't have any real experience in ANY way on this topic, but here goes: Size is never an issue for me. This results in a really big grip area, but if you want the power, you have to take the grip. I was a top competitor against the single action shooters in; slow, timed and rapid fire. When I went to a .45 semi Colt Commander, I found them easier to handle, and much more concealable. I have been shooting them since 1967. You had the Coonan, Auto Mag and the Desert Eagle. I defy you to find one instance, in a written publication, of a revolvers barrel length being specified as the barrel plus cylinder. Grizzlys 45 Win Mag and 50AE springs are shorter and thicker in diamaeter than regular 1911 springs. I have to agree that an automatic handgun will win out mainly because of the point and shoot factor. . We recommend upgrading your current browser or. I have so many fun guns that I am embarrassed to say. The pistol isn't as heavy, long or tall as it first appears, and only a bit larger than the .45 ACP 1911 Government Model. There are springs that come with a Coonan that allow you to shoot 38. The reliability is sufficient for every day carry. The recoil spring assembly has a tab on the front cross bar, and that tab keeps the piston in place in the slide. There is a gap between the cylinder and the barrel on a revolver. I can get a 1911 or 686plus for much less than the $1500 starting price for the Coonan. To use large-bore cartridges with high velocity to bring an autoloader up to the power level of a Magnum revolver. 1911 ? ), Ok, the shooting part. You are correct. My dad was an engineer at Ford, and he checked out a Mach 1 from the test pool for me to try, a different 429 than this Desert Eagle. The one drawback, and it is a minor one, is that in my home State, in order for a handgun to qualify as a hunting handgun in handgun-only areas, it has to use a straight-wall case. Arguably the best revolver produced following the Colt SAA. Oooh then we could be like the print mags with pretty pictures and whored articles that match the ads in the magazine. And now we get to talk about the real world; fun shooting. Most everyone was shooing S&W police-issue pistols, Glocks or Sigs. Basically, the barrel is measured from the END of the forcing cone to the END of the muzzle on a revolver. Mr. Tedford as I recall said he had put the trigger/hammer in a special jig, or such, his own developed invention, and boy was I pleased. I have owned several autos 9mms and 40s, they are all gone now but still carry my colt trooper mk3 357 or my colt metro 38. As for the Coonan, Ill have to wait until I can get my hands on one to shoot. Coonan makes fabulous pistols. Irresistibly sexy. I would like you to compare the 1911-357Sig to the Python 357. So, the famous Python has been around for some time and it does not owe its fame to Hollywood. Thrusting at you, gyrating their hips while gurning. I have a Python, 6 bbl and it is just a joy to shoot! I have never used mine so I cant speak to reliability w/38 ammo, but so far Ive never had a malfunction w/357. I never had a problem with the Python. I have a Beretta 3032, Tomcat, for concealed carry. Because a revolver has no parts to absorb any of the recoil energy by their movement, no energy is subtracted from the total that reaches the shooter. Seriously, If a person desires a good .357, buy a Smith and Wesson M19/66. On a rifle or light machine gun, the extra weight is no big deal. If we were to drop that barrel length down to 3, wed expect to see a loss of 250-300 FPS, give or take. Those are quite the worthless statements without explanation. !!!!! Scan this QR code to download the app now. joy to shoot. Alternately, you could retract the slide when the empty magazine is in place, locking the slide to the rear. Read more about .357 Ballistics: https://ballisticsbytheinch.com/357mag.html. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spYbOks31OU. Review: Coonan's Hard-Hitting .357 Magnum 1911 Now many years later, the Python brings many memories of when I was on top of the game. Cylinder and Barrels on a revolver are NOT like a chamber and barrel on a semi-auto. I bought the pistol from him at a very low price[ a colt government .380], The key word you seem to have missed in his comment is revolver., Thanks for clearing that up. JUST SAYING. I also have a 629 and a model 19 + a 686 S&W and more all very well made guns. I sold it after buying an early 4 629 somewhere in the early to mid 80s ($400) that I had magna-ported, and a trigger job done better than the my Python. Lots of reference is made of the size of the grip. The Python kicks. Strange fact is I always plinked with the hard-ball .45 ACP. Another DE vote here. Read Me: He was about 10 yards away from my shooting position. I had no real use for a .44 Magnum, and had even been doing my M-S competition with an S&W M-57, in .41 Magnum. I cant shoot a .50 AE quickly, not like other big bores. Forgot to mention the trigger on the Coonan looks goofy as well. The Coonan and the Desert Eagle fired regular revolver rounds. I am not any kind of whiz kid or gun guru nor am i an worlds champion marksman, but I hit what I aim at and I, with speed loaders, can fire six, dump and be reloaded in less than two seconds. The Coonan, with its 4.25 barrel, actually shoots marginally faster. Gunsmiths. LaRue Tactical's Siete Quick Change Barrel System. I am looking for a GR LAR 45 Win. The market is now dominated by slim single stacks that are only marginally more concealable than their plastic framed counterparts. Sam (pictured) grew up shooting revolvers, and still uses a revolver style grip. I bought a python, in 1978 when LEOs were limited to revolvers. Theres a nagging question, though. And in the revolver package, the performance will be even more reliable. The cammed-open bolt is held in place by a plunger that locks it in the open position, so the bolt cant move around and get out of alignment when it is then driven back as the slide cycles. Plus, I was President of my IPSC club (this was before the USPSA was formed, we, like all clubs then, were direct members of IPSC) where I learned that if there was an advantage to be gained through design, modification or handloading, someone would do it. When we got to a cease fire point, I picked up a couple of the casings that had bounced off by head, and saw .45 WinMag. My reaction was Huh? The revolver also has the longer sight radius and generally more rotational inertia, so the revolver is apt to be more accurate, if youre comparing guns with the same published barrel length, comparing DA to DA or SA to SA (but not if youre comparing DA revolver to the SA which comes more easily on a semi-auto). Were it doing the same work in a revolver, it would either have to be massively larger, or subject you to onerous recoil. Commentdocument.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "a322f75e7ee532576cbda46b1d28c4a6" );document.getElementById("f4f0d58121").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I owned a Grizzly LAR in 357 Magnum sometime ago (another gun regret of selling) which shot as good, or better than the Coonan. I would. A pistol has to be engineered to withstand pressure, eject the empty case (without smashing itself to pieces in the process), and have enough pressure to pick up the next round. Dr. Dabbs Builds a DIY Semiauto Sa vz. To be completely fair about this, the Coonan isnt meant to shoot one clean hole. Consider all of the hype surrounding the GLOCK 43. Anaconda revolver in 2021, rounding out a line of magnum "snake guns" that started with the re-introduced Colt Python in 2020. Jesus, how stupid people can be. A bigger issue. I said pistol, because there are handguns that dispose of more power (however you care to calculate it) but they are single-shots or revolvers. And lordy does it shoot with that tensioned barrel. says that NAACO Brigadier (original fire-arm for .45 Winchester Magnum cartridge) was answer to Canadian requirements for a service handgun in the aftermath of World War II. Ive got six .22lr firearms, and none are single shot. The main caliber is 6.5 Creedmoor with a 23″ barrel length, but thanks to a quick-detachable, free-floating handguard and a quick-change barrel, you will have four more caliber options. The only thing dead about the Walking Dead is the mental capacity of the viewing audience. Seems a little disingenuous. As an added reminder, theres a small dot milled into the safety recess on the slide, filled with red paint. I still dont understand comparing the Coonan to the Colt. Do not ease the slide forward. Yes, it uses the same bullets as the .44 Magnum, but the case has greater capacity, and the Desert Eagle can readily handle higher pressures than DA revolvers chambered in .44 Magnum should you wish to do that. Im a bit lazy that way. Your chance may come when It might have slipped out of alignment. Brilliant! The dual-spring, coiled steel spring assembly is a self-contained unit, and wont come apart when you remove it. .357mag: readily available, fairly inexpensive to shoot and their revolvers are tried and true. All Firearms News subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. There are 9mm +P & +P+ loads that are moving faster than 357 mag loads and there are .40cal S&W +P loads that are heavier and moving faster than 357 mag loads. I was at the range testing the Desert Eagle in 429, when our Editor called me. What Im seeing now is a big resurgence in the revolver market. And Who sold more/was more popular after that? The ammunition is loaded for Magnum Research by HSM in Montana, in Starline brass and with Sierra bullets, and comes in boxes of 20 rounds. The Python is a pretty gun and pricey, but is it worth it? Given the 2 choices, I'd chose the DE. It was that kind of good. The pistols used by the Shadow (Alec Baldwin) were highly customized .45 Win Mag LAR Grizzly Pistols. Sure, its comparing apple to oranges. Where have revolvers faded from popularity? Why would something like these NOT require far more frequent spring changes? And I still have both guns with boxes and receipts. Slide the magazine up into the frame until it locks in place. The Python is not. Got nothing against any other gun maker, (well maybe Raven) but to me the beauty and comfort shooting those Pythons is one of the true joys in my otherwise humdrum life! What did you find out if you did? I go to a private range every day, and toss bottles and jugs into the Missouri River ( they are from fifteen to twenty five yards out) and shoot them as the stream past at what ever the speed of the current is. It actually makes more sense than say comparing a pair of almost identical revolvers or autoloaders. I do like the heavy, squared-off dust cover though. The Coonan Compact is intriguing and may be the perfect replacement for the 4 1911 in a shoulder rig. A brief aside: the original intention was for the .50 AE to use a bullet of .510" diameter, but the way such things were measured, the ATF determined it was a Destructive Device and would require onerous taxing and paperwork. The result, for me at least, is more control. Sometimes the jobs intersect. If actually cornered the LCP is probably accurate enough at 5-15. In each case all three revolvers lost their timing, after shooting about. I have never brought a firearm because of TV or a movie. Maybe us old wheel gun fans can pick up some sweet deals when the next TV hero is shooting a Desert Eagle, and they all rush to dump their zombie killer revolvers. Ive carried the Coonan a bit since then, especially when I had the coat to cover it up good. At the time, the Python sold as I recall for about $100 more than a 6 Model 19. If you want a different look, Magnum Research offers extra barrels in Polished Chrome, Brushed Chrome, Burnt Bronze and Black. LAR Grizzly Win Mag - Wikipedia You are using an out of date browser which is likely incompatible with our website. cartridge, but have no revolver-flange on the bottom, cycle without malfunction, and because they are based on a necked-down .40 S&W case, holding a 9mm bullet, they slide into the chamber perfectly every time. I have a few polymer firearm, but the steel attracts me because of its worth in this changing world. You could argue that it is capacity. You sound like a very good target shooter to me. But choice between gun without ammunition and gun with ammunition is quite simple. Id like to know why the author didnt use the original Coonan with the 5 barrel for this competition. Buzz, . Wed have to wait until the 21stcentury to take advantage of the .480 Ruger, .500 Special, .460 S&W, the .500 S&W, and other heavy-hitters. I like the convenience of a solid magazine. Magnum Research Mark XIX Desert Eagle 10-Inch .44 Mag. The gas venting out of the barrel pushes the piston, and since the piston is attached to the slide, the slide goes back, it cams open and takes with it on its journey a four-lugged bolt. In case there is any confusion, I was replying to Lying Bastards post. Even though mine are 1960s, Ill keep my snakes thank you. Today, I own a Sig 220/10mm, and loaded full it will knock down a bg/ criminal better than a 4. I have defense covered. They are, 1) intricate, 2) delicate, 3) way over priced, 4) and highly over rated. Yeah, but when Im shooting my $396 Python I just grin! I did my best to keep from comparing it to other 1911 platform guns, and other .357 revolvers. As far as killing Zombies, the Python would take a second seat to a Glock M34 with 17+2 rds 9mm, and 33 rd spare mags; since you only have to hit them in the head . If you are disassembling to clean, then once the barrel is out, press the slide forward and off of the frame. Copyright date 1973. FINALLY shot one in 2022 in 45winmag from a fellow I know whom has three of biiig handguns. Im roughly three times faster with the Coonan. stands for names of company founders - Larisch, Augat and Robison). Coonan, LAR Grizzly and Desert Eagle in .357 Magnum and some Wildeys, AutoMags and again the Desert Eagle chambered in .44 Magnum). Who cares about aiming to hit the target when you have a dozen or more bullets? Maybe the Coonan should have gone head to head with a revolver with a 4 barrel. But why do all this at all? Still, if the Grizzly had looked like that and been available in 9mm Winchester Magnum right at the start, Id have probably bought it instead of a Desert Eagle. Thats why the .50 AE case has a visible taper to it, instead of being a straight cylinder. I too have a six inch python and I like it very much ,but to be honest I also have a smith & Wesson 686 six inch revolver now that is apples to apples.. The problem with longer cartridges than .45 ACP is that the grip simply becomes too big with a double stack magazine. The problem, from my view, is why does the same brick NEVER available at the local Mart or gun as shop. The barrel lock pin and barrel lock, needed for disassembly, are also made in blued steel. Theyre legendary for a reason. I also own 5 more LARs one of which is also a unique factory one-of-a-kind. The 429 Desert Eagle that arrived here at Gun Abuse Central is all-stainless. Buy one on GunsAmerica: /Search.aspx?T=python You could preen yourself; brush off the dust, accept the compliment then reject the potential suitor accordingly. Move on. Colt reintroduced its .44 Mag. SIGHTRON S6 5-30x56 ED Line of Premium Riflescopes: New for 2022, German Sniper Rifles of World War I and II. Ive read several articles that say the public is hoarding .22s, thus the shortage. The Grizzly got a longer slide and 5.4" barrel . I can reload my colt faster than you can any automatic, of course i have had about fifty years of practice too. That is the way is should be set up for .38's. Better check your facts before starting up on the internet! The only thing the python does better is look pretty. The noise is impressive, the recoil is pushy but not oppressive, and the velocity. That varies, though, so the difference isnt enough to really make one gun stand out. Is the .357 Magnum the Most Versatile Handgun? +P are has heavy as it will load. Rimfire used to be a single shot game. We wouldnt want to make people like you Recoil. L.O.L All shoot very well. I have shot one, and it was reliable and accurate. So a revolver with a 6 barrel has a longer barrel than does a semiautomatic with a 6 barrel. All my 19s had Actions done by my good friend Austin Behlert, a fine Pistolsmith. It is based on the design of the M1911 and offers superior accuracy and high quality, while separately sold conversion kits . Sorry about that, sure wish you were right. As-shipped, the 429 DE-chambered Desert Eagle has a six-inch stainless barrel, with an accessory rail on top, and ports for the muzzle brake on the front end. LAR Grizzly: A 1911 on .45 Winchester Magnum Steroids. One of his patrol areas was the infamous East Palo Alto, in California. And status, as the guy at the range who shoots the pistol with the most power. The Marlin Model 1894 Classic is the third iconic lever-action design re-introduced by the recently re-established company, following the big-bore Model 1895 in late 2021 and the whitetail classic Model 336 earlier in 2023. The reverse isnt true. Fun fact; The guns used by Alec Baldwin in The Shadow (1994) were actually specially-modified Grizzlys; http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/e/e1/ShadowLARSilverLongSlide.jpg/800px-ShadowLARSilverLongSlide.jpg. I trust its accuracy. The L.A.R. Those guys are either dead or expensive. The closest I can think of that might be familiar is the Ruger Mini-14, but with the piston on the slide, not the operating rod. Will Dabbs shows off the S&W Model 19 used in Lethal Weapon. I never got into ( and still don't) reloading, so I only used factory ammunition. It fired one time and would not cycle. The first two movies that I recall seeing the Desert Eagle in them were Arnold Schwarzeneggers Commando and actor Lance Henricksen using one in Near Dark: I rode for the south. After that, it was all over the place, with the original model and subsequent versions having over 100 movie and television appearances that I can find. When all is said and done, it boils down to personal preference. With painful irony they arrived about a week before the handgun ban here was announced. For open carry, especially where the speed of a draw or reloads isnt important, the Python is my choice. All of those approaches take up space and add weight. Theres power, and you know it. Similarly, the .45 ACP (230 grain at 855 for 405) duplicates the energy of the 9 x 19mm in the standard German military loading (124 gr at 1,250 for 430). JavaScript is disabled. If, God forbid, I ever have to shoot someone in self-defense or in defense of others, that laser gives me much more peace of mind. The .357 Magnum? Usually firearms are created for large groups such as LEOs or military. .45 Winchester Magnum They should have gone with a Hi-Power style instead of having a 1911-looking trigger thats hinged at the top with a gap at the bottom. Dont dent it more than we could fix it. But with proper care and attention, regular maintenance, etc., you can keep a reliable set of magazines. On a more serious note, I would have really liked you to have added the Sig Nightmare Carry in 357 Sig either in the 4.25 or 5 model. This information is from reddits own data. Im 99% positive it was user error. This isnt easy with rounds designed for pistols. I carry a Ruger LCP because it can be concealed. He who shoots first nearly always wins and with one shot. I would love to have a full sized Conan arms but they are out of my price range these days, so Ill stick with my xd and keltec lol for now anyways. They literally call this technique the Taco hold. The .357 Maximum and .460 S&W Magnum arent even legal to use in NRA Hunter Pistol; the cases are too long. I could be wrong but nobody would want to be the recipient of a .45 Winchester Magnum slug. To date this is my pride and joy. Lar Grizzly vs Desert Eagle - Dead Trigger 2 - YouTube Even though I grew up in the age of GLOCK, I was much more familiar with the function of a wheel-gun. Yea, lets get professional here. .45 1911 nice but 10mm, too powerful for most shooters, especially new shooters and weaker people, and pricey. You need a new band of Angels (not angles) that arent wearing bell bottoms! My father in law had to resort to his Derringer once in 30 years, saved three officers lives with two rounds. Now I carry an xd9 and a keltec with +ps Movies keep them in business as the movie badass gun. The gun is originally designed around the 45 Win Mag, actually by request from ammo company Winchester-Olin, who at some time early eighties had 1 million 45 Win Mag cartridges in their inventory and there were no other guns except few odd Wildey pistols(which had very limited production numbers) chambered for the cartridge.
